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jsantell.romanarmytalk |
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Posts: 4 (01/08/09 09:12:16) |
I am looking at the Road And Expedition and was wondering if anyone has done any touring on one of these or even the other Catrike offerings . What do you
consider to be the best touring trike offered by Catrike and why?
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Posts: 39 (01/08/09 10:07:31) |
The best touring bike is mine because I own it and can ride it. I can't ride others, so they don't count. Though I suppose I could buy two but that
seems pointless.
I have the gray one. SS |
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Posts: 4730 (01/08/09 10:40:27) |
The best touring trike is one that you can still pedal regardless of the grade or load. If you have the engine to turn an Expedition's rear wheel fully
loaded, then you might prefer it over the Road for it's longer wheelbase and 2" of extra seat height, providing just a tad more room for
below/behind-seat storage, or for really unusually wet situations, like stream crossings. You might prefer the Road because the stock gearing is lower, and you
can easily make it lower still. The Expedition, being a slightly stretched Road, might provide a slightly smoother ride and slightly smoother straight tracking
due to the long wheelbase, but others would have to tell whether that is right or wrong. The Road was the first Catrike to tour across the United States, as
Pink Panther reported in her road journal. Before the Road arrived, people toured on the Speed.
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Posts: 1332 (01/08/09 10:44:39) |
In the spring of 2007, Lucinda Chandler rode from San Diego, CA, to St. Augustine, FL. on a Road. She did it in 58 days, alone and with no SAG support! Her
trike had Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires all around and she had no flats at all! If I recall, the trip was a little over 3400 miles long. She still rides that
trike.
For a larger person, the Expedition might be a bit more comfortable for such a trip. One advantage that the Road has over the Expedition is that you can carry just one size in spare tires and tubes. |
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Richard B Clarke |
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Posts: 243 (01/08/09 11:22:04) |
In the Catrike lineup my choice would be the Road because of the same sized wheels. I must say however, that I did a tour on a Speed and found that it was one
of the most balanced of any bicycle that I have toured on. It is very easy to fit panniers and racks and is very easy to transport.
Richard (Catrike 700.......) |
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Posts: 824 (01/08/09 12:37:26) |
If I were going to get a trike with touring in mind, and I wanted a Cat, I'd get the Road for reasons mentioned.
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jsantell.romanarmytalk |
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Posts: 5 (01/08/09 15:52:26) |
I live on a hill in a hilly area and right now I am favoring the Road because of the gearing, but, I could also change the low gear sprocket on the Expedition
to get a bit more torque in the low range.
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mikeatlbch |
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Posts: 2143 (01/08/09 20:25:02) |
1. Road
All same wheel sizes. Lower gear range more important than high fully loaded. Shorter frame more torsion resistance loaded. 2. Expedition. Greater higher end speed, if you have that kind of motor. A mountain triple can give you the same range as the road. Longer wheel base may give more relaxing down hill speed ride and more comfortable ride. Enjoy whichever works for you. Mike |
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Mal |
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Posts: 26 (01/12/09 07:25:27) |
Hi jsantell,
Have a look at my "testimonial" posted 12th Jan 09 (Tag: Testimonial)... Hope it helps... Mal |
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Posts: 33 (01/12/09 18:43:44) |
I purchased a Road with touring in mind. I couldn't be happier. I haven't taken my long tour yet, but
I've done some short ones. I've rarely found myself running out the top gear, but I have found a few hills that begged for a lower gear. So the 3 x
20" wheels is a winning combination for me. It is one less tube/tire to carry.
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deroncey |
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Posts: 2 (01/13/09 12:26:11) |
I'm going to stick my neck out here and voice my personal opinion on this subject having just returned from a 700 mile loaded self-supported trike tour and
a 1000 mile trike tour up the aca east coast route this summer. Having owned a 2007 Road and also my present Trice T trikes I sold the Road and kept the T and
have done the 2 aforementioned trips on it as well as many day rides. In my experience, the Road is faster and more fun for day rides, however the attributes
that make it so make it a less than ideal touring machine. It is stiff/unsuspended, low, and unforgiving in the real world range of road surfaces one is likely
to encounter daily on a long distance loaded tour. I tried big apples and that helps, some. Overall the Trice is about comfort, and for those of you who are
armchair tourists and have never really gone on the road day after day after day will find out this is true for most folks when you are on the road. Afterall
we ride recumbents because DF bikes are really brutal on most bodies, so why not maximize the comfort factor? The Trice has rear suspension and a steel
cruciform, both of which contribute to a MUCH smoother ride over chip n seal roads and dirt trails (I rode the T on the C & O canal to the GAP rail trail
to end the summer tour). I compared the Expedition to the T on a section of off road trail and it was MUCH slower running over ruts, rocks and and rough dirt.
I met a fellow triker on my recent tour who contributes here - TractorTom, who rides a Trail (quite quickly I might add) and we rode about 50 miles together
over a variety of road surfaces and the side by side comparisons of the way the 2 trikes dealt with shock from holes and rough pavement were very obvious.
All that being said, you can ride anything pretty much anywhere ( many years ago I rode skinny tired cyclocross bikes in hardcore mountain bike races) Lucinda riding the Southern tier on a Road, or Heidi riding a Trimuter down the Great Divide Mt. Bike route and farther, but this thread was about the best touring trike. I submit that if Catrike wants to have a real long distance loaded touring machine, they should think how to produce one with suspension. Because on long tours, you cant choose your roads like on day rides, they choose you. They also need to give some thought to carrying capacity. The Road and Expedition are limited to one set of rear panniers. Lucinda moteled the entire Southern tier on her trip but most tourists prefer the option of carrying full camping gear. Thats hard for most folks to do without using Arkel RT-60s or 2 sets of Ortlieb panniers. |
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Posts: 197 (01/13/09 12:51:21) |
I think a lot of the comfort is relative to your seated posture, meaning the degree of layback. I have both the Expedition and 700 models. I would say my
preference is the 700. Having a bad neck and back I first feared the 700 would cause me to have to crane my neck to much. Wrong!! Having time on a Road,
Expedition, and 700 has taught me that my fist priority is how long I can stay on the Trike with the greatest degree of comfort. All else, tire sizes, gearing,
and such come second to that, that's all manigable stuff. As far as loading, I pull a BOB single wheel trailer, in fact just purchased another (Ibex this
time). They are great for handling all the load you'll care to carry. Now some will say, a trailer? To much trouble. It's all personal preference and
your willingness to do the job in a way that's suitable to your wants and needs.
My creature hauler. http://www.crazyguyonabik...3Tzut&page_id=100517&v=19 Jerry |
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Posts: 825 (01/13/09 13:25:00) |
Actually, deroncey, this thread is about the best touring Catrike (read the OPs post). That's why the responses all have to do with trikes in the Catrike
line up.
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Posts: 246 (01/13/09 14:20:50) |
deroncey wrote:All I can say is each to his or her own. My experiences are different from yours: 1. Regarding suspension: This is personal thing. I for one do not think that it is an absolute necessity. While it provides some additional comfort (debatable) it also adds weight and compremises handling. 2. Regarding carring panniers: I don't see where any Trikes in the lineup you alluded carries any more than the Road or Expedition. I toured on my Speed and was quite impressed with its capabilities. I personally like a light responsive handling Trike and the Speed filled the bill for me. For the record I have also ridden Greenspeeds and ICE Trikes and while they are nice my first choice will be the CAT. Richard (Catrike 700 ) |
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Posts: 1352 (01/13/09 17:08:49) |
Jerry-
Very nice doggie hauler! And, I agree with you completely about trailers. I just don't see why folks don't like trailers for very extended trips! Richard- AMEN!!! Deroncey- I think the guillotine just fell on your neck! |
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Posts: 2155 (01/14/09 18:17:58) |
Just to correct an error in deroncey's note. Lucinda was fully loaded and while she motel camped she was prepared and hauled camping gear with her even
though only used it once or twice. I lifted her trike and gear up a two foot curb...She was loaded...
I have had the great fortune to ride lots of trikes. I would love too tour an any. Would someone work in my place and subsidize my vacation. I promise to be back in the next twenty or thirty years... Mike |
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deroncey |
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Posts: 4 (01/30/09 20:28:47) |
I though I might have touched a nerve with some posters here with my opinions ( and please remember they are just my opinions based on my experiences). But
what I'm talking about is what I have found works well for loaded, self supported touring. I don't sell Trice or have any loyaly to them as a brand (or
any brand period). In my travels, people frequently ask me about trikes, and if they say they want one I usually recommend a Catrike as the best value in a
recumbent trike you can buy. My first trike tour was this summer and rode from St. Augustine FL to Pittsburg PA via the aca east coast route to DC to C & O
canal to GAP rail trail to Pittsburg. I wanted a trike with the following attributes: considering the route: high ground clearance for riding in the dirt, lots
of shock absorbtion for rough roads, ruggedness of frame and components, and ability to carry my gear. I opted for large Ortlieb rear panniers for my Trice T
and if I was traveling in colder weather, I would have needed more capacity, i.e. : Arkel RT-60s, my Road would not have room for the Arkels, and I didn't
want to have to stack gear way up high on my rear rack messing with the trikes CG. The Trice is the only trike there is that can carry a standard touring
handlebar bag, something I found to be an enourmous asset everyday as it held my ACA route map and wallet, camera, Iphone, etc.I almost bought a Greenspeed GTE
or a HPV Scorpion FX because I can carry front and rear ortlieb bags like I would on an DF tourig bike. The Road has 3.5" ground clearance vs. the
T's 7", and then there is the ultra stiff frame of the Catrike. I did try big apples and it helped but not nearly as much as suspension. I got the
Trice with the Idea of doing the whole ACA Great Divide mountain bike route which follows the Continental Divide from Canada to Mexico on dirt roads and trails
after reading a crazyguyonabike journal by a woman who rode the whole thing on a Trimuter trike a few years ago. After riding the C & O this summer I have
decided that because of the width of the trike for off pavement touring, I would definately not use a trike for the Great divide tour. One wheel riding out of
the track in single or doubletrack for any distance= not fun. As I said before, I have no need to prove anything or have loyalty to a brand, I just want to use
what works best from my point of view. The bottom line though is you can make anything work. Lucinda loves her Road, Mal and Lee have traveled far more miles
than I have on trikes all over the world and also really are elated with their Roads. Have anyof them bought 2 or 3 different trikes and ridden them for
hundreds of miles like I have before making their choice as to which is the best trike for touring, I don't know. I as I said I used panniers for my tour
this summer and just completed a 700 mile lap of Florida on the Trice using my Burley Nomad just to compare. I won't ramble on about that but basically a
trailer worked pretty well. Six of one , half dozen of another I'd say about the trailer vs. bag debate. I have decided however to use a full suspension
Optima Orca recumbent bike for the Great divide off road trek this summer. I figure, why beat my head against the wall for no apparant reason.
And my comment about Lucinda was in no way meant to demean her accomplishment. I very much admire her or anyone who thinks for themselves and thinks outside of the box in thier approach to adventuring. My comment was related only the carrying capacity available to the Old Man Mountain Sherpa rack. The title of this thread was -What is the best touring trike. I merely addressed that question as I have seen others discuss brands other than Catrike. Didn't know it was verboten. Peer pressure makes a lousy companion on a long tour if you have made the wrong trike choice. |
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Posts: 65 (01/31/09 01:53:13) |
I found at my size, and with all the assorted Titanium in me. That my Road just wasn't suited for me past about 50 miles. On the other hand, My Expedition,
with a few changes has turned out to be close to perfect. YMMV
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Dragon |
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Posts: 89 (01/31/09 04:43:18) |
And while Catrikes are great on the road sports cars and will carry a lot I would think other designs might fare a bit better, but that does not mean that a
Catrike could do very well, especially with a trailer. I was also a bit traumatized by brick roads and off road attempts but found that moving from 1.25 to
1.75 tires (not quite big apples) did improve the ride and made my unexpected wandering about at the Highland fair possible as I don't think the 1.25's
would have made it in several places, and even on good turf was very much harder.
KMX claims it is the mountain trike of trikes (though bunny hops and narrow places might be problematic) however I see mostly Catrikes on CGOB trike runs. As to panniers. Wayne Ludeman seemed to have the best idea |
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Richard B Clarke |
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Posts: 262 (01/31/09 06:17:14) |
....................Deroncey, I think you clarified your position. The best touring trike is the one which best suits your particular needs and requirements. I
for one would take a different approach then you. For me even for touring there has to be a balance of performance, versatility and comfort. A trike that is
while comfortable but is heavy, slow, cumbersome and let's say not exciting would be boring for my needs. If I want ultimate comfort and luxury, then I
would opt for a Cadillac Escalade. Others may have different requirements. The other thing to consider is the physical limitations/ ability of the prospective
rider. If you have back, muscular or other related physical issues and not limber then a Catrike 700 would probably not be the wisest choice. In that case a
trike like your Trice T with its very upright seat and suspension would be a better choice. Notice that these are 2 trikes on the opposite ends of the Trike
spectrum.
Regarding Lucinda, As far as touring and long distance riding is concerned, she is my hero and I would certainly tap her brain for any tips on touring. It all boils down to "Horses for Choices"..........The best Touring Trike is the one that best meets your needs / requirements. Richard (Catrike 700)
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ElSobrante |
Objective data, please | ||
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Posts: 4803 (01/31/09 07:44:26) |
There's a lot that one COULD learn from this thread, if only posts were objective instead of subjective. Saying that a particular trike is too low is a
fine starting point but leaves out empirical evidence. Too low for standing water? Too low for Alabama speed bumps which we'll have to see to believe? Do
those signs warning of falling rocks apply only to Catrikes?
Why can a Road handle small panniers but not large panniers? What limits the load, and is the area under the seat going unused, or could it be filled with stuff-sacks or Radical side panniers? A steel cruciform frame is undeniably rugged, but is there evidence that an aluminum Catrike frame won't hold up? Not one mention of the obvious hand comfort from indirect steering over direct steering, but no explanation of why larger softer tires can't provide comfort on a slow tour, and surely the tour is for the most part slow. Can we have some empirical examples, please? The proof is in the pudding, and I can't taste this pudding. |
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